Athlon64 Motherboards: First Look at Chaintech, FIC, and MSI
by Wesley Fink on September 23, 2003 1:03 PM EST- Posted in
- Motherboards
Final Words
It has appeared that AMD was worried about the Athlon64 launch. In the last month, there have numerous changes in direction and a repositioning of the Athlon64FX as the new top chip. After running benchmarks with a few Athlon64 boards, we wonder why AMD was concerned.Certainly, in all the important benchmarks, we have to consider AMD’s Athlon64 3200+ and Intel 3.2GHz to be roughly equivalent in performance. If there is an edge, then it goes to AMD for the knockout gaming performance that Athlon64 is able to deliver with the on-CPU memory controller. Also, keep in mind that two faster AMD chips were introduced today: the Athlon64 3400+ and the Athlon64FX51.
Perhaps it is AMD’s on-CPU memory controller that is making the difference, or rather lack of difference, in the performance of the VIA and nForce3 chipsets on our Athlon64 motherboards. Unlike the wide differences seen in the AthlonXP/Barton motherboards using VIA and nVidia chipsets, we find performance of the VIA and nForce3 a virtual dead heat. This may change with refinements in both chipsets, but for now, you can select an Athlon64 motherboard based on the features it provides.
We do, however, have a word of caution. For now, you cannot adjust Athlon64 CPU speed with multipliers, as AthlonXP users have been accustomed to doing for a very long time. This makes the ability to Fix or Lock the AGP/PCI bus absolutely critical to getting the best performance from your chip. All of the nForce3-150 boards that we have seen offer a PCI/AGP lock, but we have yet to see a VIA board with a working PCI/AGP lock. All the manufacturers tell us that it is here, it will definitely be in BIOS, but we still have not seen a working lock. Until we see for ourselves that manufacturers can provide a working PCI/AGP lock, we suggest that you check carefully before buying a VIA board you intend to overclock.
We hope this concern will be resolved very soon, since in every other respect, VIA is at least as good in performance as nVidia. Call us skeptical, but VIA has never had a working PCI/AGP lock on any recent chipset, so until we see one work, we would have a hard time recommending a VIA K8T800 board to an overclocker.
As for the 3 Athlon64 boards that we tested, all performed very well and exceeded our expectations. The FIC is currently handicapped because of its pre-release BIOS, but it should perform at the same level as the Chaintech and MSI boards with the release BIOS version. The MSI and Chaintech are both incredibly full-featured boards, and they are neck-and-neck in our tests. It is hard to recommend one over the other, as both will serve your needs very well. However, MSI at present does not implement any AGP/PCI lock that we can find in their BIOS. MSI tells us a PCI/AGP lock should be added in 2 or 3 weeks with a BIOS update. However, we want to see a working PCI/AGP lock on any VIA board before accepting that it will appear "soon". We did test the Core Cell overclocking, which starts at default FSB and dynamically overclocks as applications run. While we find the names for performance levels a little much for our tastes (Disabled, Private, Sergeant, Captain, Colonel, General, Commander), we did find that the General level of about a 7% overclock worked fine. We could not get the Commander 10% level to work, regardless of timings on our DDR433 memory. This is further evidence that lack of an AGP/PCI lock may be holding back board performance.
The first round goes to the Chaintech ZNF3-150, but this is just the first round and we will be looking at many other Athlon64 boards. AGP/PCI lock is in the Chaintech BIOS, and its overclocking abilities are excellent. The ZNF3-150 performance was always #1 or #2 among the boards, and the feature list goes on for pages. If you are looking for a top Computer Enthusiast motherboard, you will be hard pressed to find a better Athlon64 board on the market than the Chaintech ZNF3-150. That is at least until round 2 of our Athlon64 motherboard roundup, and until manufacturers can confirm working AGP/PCI locks really do exist on VIA chipset Athlon64 boards.
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Anonymous User - Friday, September 26, 2003 - link
#5I old too, but still keep buing from AMD, Intel is way too expensive for as in Latin America, and give no clear advantage for a programmer/gamer like me.
If you been having problems with AMD, surely your are building AMD chips with PCCHIPs mainboards, and Pentiums with Intel boards, you are a smart guy!
So, if you gonna build a modern PC, you'll experience problems becouse WinXP didn't include drivers for new chipsets, so, for it all going like a charm, you need an Intel Pentium III and a Intel 2001's mainboard, anything newer, you gonna have to look for drivers, whatever the platform you choose.
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link
#10 -You are absolutely correct in theory. However, when we moved from the Ti4600 to the ATI 9800 PRO, our encoding scores on the P4 went up about 35-45%. Don't ask me why. They did not change on the Athlon, which had led in this area before. That is one of several reasons we will be changing to another encoding benchmark.
If you doubt what I say, check Evan's 20-board 865/875 roundup done with the Ti 4600, then check the retest of some of the top boards we include in our more recent P4 reviews. Evan did the original and the update tests, and I have confirmed his results.
Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link
Since when does the video card have ANYTHING to do with DivX encoding? That is a purely CPU and RAM issue, even playback is not influenced too much by the video card anymore (speed not quality...that is an entirely different issue).Zoomer - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link
Hey, could you please touch on what DAC chip is powering these setups? A picture would be nice too.Envy 24bit audio would be an utter waste if some crap Realtek codec was used. It would be good if this was highlighted so that motherboard manufacturers catering to the higher end of the market will take notice.
Chaintech apparantly took note of the fact that you guys bashed every single board that had the ATX connector near the board i/o ports. Despite it being a non issue. That thick bundle can be routed so that the interference with airflow is minimised.
Anonymous User - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link
Please, please, please stop using Flash for graphs.dvinnen - Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - link
#5: Youe funny. Constant screw ups? It's Intell who has had to have 3 or so recalls over the last 4-5 years. And theres that bug with the Itantic which the only way to fix is to lower the clock to 800 mhz. AMD is the one who keeps screwing up?Wesley Fink - Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - link
#3 and #4 - Thank you. Now corrected.Just before posting we decided to combine the 3 reviews into one larger launch review. Unfortunately I had used the same name for two different pictures and the first one was picked up. There is a socket closeup of the FIC that never made it to the server.
Anonymous User - Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - link
yeah, about the only good thing coming out of this is the price drops soon. Otherwise still the same stupid +-5FPS differences = waste of time/effert to get excited about.i used to love amd, but just got tired of their constant screw ups, so anymore i personally don't care what stupid thing they come out with, i won't waste my time with it.
Perhaps that's cuz i'm older now and have a good job/salary and don't need/care about overclocking and or paying a few bucks more for intel quality/stability. yeah, must be just getting to be an old fogey, cuz this whole amd/intel wanna-be-war doesn't give me a hardon like it used to ;)
Thoreau - Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - link
Correction, Page 11 in the index list. First pic.Thoreau - Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - link
The 2nd page of the FIC section shows a pic from the Chaintech board. Think you got that a little mixed up there.